waxwing @waxwing@x0f.org

@stephanlivera i mean sure, to some extent, that has to be true :) But I think it's an interesting phenomenon from multiple angles, and re: longevity, we could see this as the start of a variety of different crowdsourced campaigns (maybe, not that I have a clue). Little known fact: long before he became a famous ... err ... "commentator", Max Keiser was advocating for something vaguely similar "karmabanque" where people would sort of crowdsource shareholder activism.

@kekcoin

> it's pretty clear what is meant with "natural"

I don't think it's clear at all, even in other contexts ... I would go as far as to say that the distinction between artificial and natural is ... artificial :)

But anyway, In this particular case it's as unclear as it gets. There is no objective distinction between "artificial" and "natural" prices.

Laws like this exist so govt agencies can exert power at whim, it's dressed up as ethics and people are dumb enough to buy it.

@kekcoin lol (yes, obviously), but it also reminds me of that funny debate about what "natural" even means. literally everything is natural, it's a tautology. Food is made of chemicals 🤯

Apparently it's in here: https://www.cftc.gov/sites/default/files/idc/groups/public/@lrfederalregister/documents/file/2011-17549a.pdf but damned if I'm going to read that.

This is apparently the "definition" of "market manipulation". What passes for law is such drivel.

(from Matt Levine's newsletter):

" (1) That the accused had the ability to influence market prices; (2) that the accused specifically intended to create or effect a price or price trend that does not reflect legitimate forces of supply and demand; (3) that artificial prices existed; and (4) that the accused caused the artificial prices."

"legitimate", "artificial", "intended". 🤡 🤦‍♂️

This PR should now be fully testable, see the doc added to it for details on how:

https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/pull/768

For those less interested in the main functionality, you might find the little scanning tool `snicker-finder.py` interesting because it also finds #Joinmarket coinjoins if you add the `-j` option, I think it does a decent job of avoiding false positives. Unfortunately, being Python, it takes several seconds per block in the range you choose (obviously more high performance tools exist!).

@rumblestiltskin i pretty much ignore medium links nowadays. Often they block me from reading blogs without signing up(? I think). They seem to have become less popular(?).

@midnightmagic @grubles there are also no signature campaigns .. yet 😂

@openoms @evankaloudis thanks, this looks really cool, although i haven't studied any details.
Wouldn't this naturally be something lnd does itself, though?